Ban East M'sian Christians from the peninsula
YOURSAY ‘That’s the only way to stop them from using ‘Allah’.’
Migration led to use of 'Allah', not propagation
Jiminy Qrikert: Umno, Malays and Muslims are under siege - a siege they created themselves by trying to lord it over everyone else through manipulation, deception, lies and denial - both self-denial that there's nothing wrong with their culture and values, as well as denying other races their inalienable rights.
They are now so messed-up that they cannot see that if Malays want to become Christians, they will do so quietly and nothing can really stop them. Those who make that choice will do whatever it takes to carry that cross.
Proarte: The list of banned words and phrases are Arabic words. How can Malays hijack religious terminology used by Arab Christians long before the advent of Islam and then ban Christians from using those words.
Should Saudi Arabia consider banning Malays from using those terms in the Malay Quran saying those words are Arabic and from the Holy Quran and thus this would insult Allah by being 'tainted' by the Malay language?
Should the Malay Quran be confiscated in Mecca during the Haj?
Goh Pick Ting: I am a non-Muslim and I studied Sejarah Islam in my Form 6. If the words are prohibited from being used by non-Muslims, effectively it meant that non-Muslims can no longer take up this subject in Form 6.
I can't imagine how I would be able to converse with my Muslim friends with the restrictions place on non-Muslims from using the 34 words? Some of the words are commonly used. For example, I call a Malay uncle, Pak Haji.
Fernz: The only way to stop non-Muslims in Malaya using ‘Allah’ is to expel all Sabahans, Sarawakians, Indonesians and Timorese from the peninsula, ban them from entering, kick out Sabah and Sarawak from the Federation, and ban non-Muslims in Malaya from using Bahasa Melayu, Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia.
If Father Lawrence Andrew is not respecting - whatever it means - the “decision” of the Court of Appeal, why isn’t the attorney-general complaining to the court and cite him for contempt?
MfM: There is no excuse that just because more people from Sabah and Sarawak come here, they can choose to flout the laws made in Semenanjung.
Just as much as Sabah and Sarawak are sovereign states in the Federation, so too are the other states and they have the right to enforce their laws.
Orang Semenanjung need work permits to work in Sarawak or Sabah, but no such impediments are imposed on Sabahans or Sarawakians coming here.
The decision to ban the word ‘Allah’ being used may not be a good one. But we must respect the court decision and the enacted laws. If you don't like it, change the government.
You, Sarawakians and Sabahans, are responsible for BN retaining power in Malaysia. The 10-point solution cannot trump the enacted laws, whether you like it or not.
Ferdtan: Says the PM of Malaysia, Mohd Najib Razak, at the conclusion of his letter on ‘10-point solution’: “As a leader of this country...”
Ha, that was the most understatement phrase coming from him. A leader? Did he give leadership to solve (or at least comment or give his opinions on) the controversies that had taken place in the country which is dividing Malaysia, racially and religiously?
He is the most un-opinionated PM we have, not only in Malaysia but I guess in the world. So who is the real Najib? Has he got a stand on any issue? Or he goes where the wind blows in the path of least resistance?
Sali Tambap: ‘Allah’ (God), ‘Firman Allah/Tuhan’ (God’s word) and ‘Rasul/Nabi’ (apostle/prophet) are all common words which are used not necessarily only in the Islam religion, while ‘Allahu Akbar’ (God is great) and ‘Insya Allah’ (God’s willing) are common phrases too.
On the other hand, words like ‘Hadith’, ‘Kaabah’, ‘Kadi/Imam/Sheihk’ and ‘Haji’ are pertaining to Islam, and Christianity does not has any equivalent to them, but how do the Christians are expected to address these personalities without using the titles given to them?
Last night a friend who has been working in Saudi Arabia for the last eight years share how the Saudis taught her to use words like ‘Allah’ (pronounced All-lah instead of Aa-lah) and ‘Insya Allah’ and can be used in her everyday language.
Even though it is difficult to attend mass - she has to go through three levels of security check due to possibility of terrorists attack - practicing of one’s religion is not totally banned. Masses from countries like Egypt by the Coptic Christians are beamed through TV live.
I am not saying that Saudi Arabia is Malaysia but merely to show the stupidity of trying to stifle people from practicing their religion and more so by stopping them to use particular words in doing so.
The absurdity of it all is beyond comprehension. The fact that many Muslims themselves have come out publicly stating it is wrong to prohibit Christians to use the word ‘Allah’ shows that the ban is not grounded theologically from the Islam perspective.
It must be pointed out that the word ‘Allah’ is not Malay or an Iban word. How could then other races other than the Malays cannot use this word if they feel like using it? Umno as a ruling party must shoulder the blame for the religious persecution.
Banning the Christians from using some of the banned words is like asking them to stop eating (rice). The words are part of their worship and here you are from another religion telling them to “stop it.”
This is not viable and the only consequence is the unthinkable. You are giving them no choice. Put yourself in their shoes, even as little like belittling the Quran, let alone confiscating or stamping them thus vandalising the holy book and see how would you feel about it.
It might be true that there has been some amount of proselytising to the Muslims, but there are procedure to deal with this. Punish the culprits and not the entire flock.
Single Malt: As a free thinker I find all these issues on religions matter, may it be Allah or Almighty is totally unproductive. It doesn't matter to me which God you pray to as long as one is truthful and sincere.
Umno profits from Muslims being put under siege
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