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No quick end in sight over conversion row

YOURSAY ‘Here’s a possible solution - all conversions to Islam be made public.’

 

Islamic authorities seize body from funeral

Thinking Right: The respective state governments should list out names and IC (identity card) numbers and last known addresses of all converts to Islam and publish them in all the newspapers as well as the Internet to avoid any future misunderstandings.

 

All future 'properly concluded' conversions to Islam should also be reported for the information of the general public.

 

If there are any errors related to the conversion, it could be rectified in a more honourable and dignified manner as no party would feel hurt or embarrassed.

 

As such, the 'snatching of dead bodies' and 'disrupting weddings' of the Islamic authorities will be a thing of the past.

 

Swipenter: It makes me wonder whether there is a nationwide spy network by the Islamic authorities monitoring covertly and sinisterly all Muslims or purportedly Muslim converts' daily activities in life and in death.

 

They know your wedding date, your funeral and what not. Even most of the families of the converts have no idea about their conversion.

 

Apa Nama: If the deceased indeed converted to Islam as claimed and did not tell her family, then Penang Islamic Religious Department (Jaip) should not be blamed. 

 

In fact, Nora Teoh Abdullah had applied for new IC and awaiting for the new one as replacement for old.  She is also a mother for two children. Let her be in peace.

 

Of course, the sudden incident at funeral could be a shock but I believe her family may not prepare the rite according to their custom if they came to know that she already a convert. 

 

No one should be blamed in this incident, including the deceased. Remember the deceased was major (21 years) when she made the decision which she felt right at that point of time. 

 

HatiPakatan: Now it is happening in a DAP-controlled state. But why can't they exercise discretion?

 

Let the family finish whatever funeral rites and then take the body away to be buried in a Muslim cemetery.

 

 

Royal 'divorce after death' valid, rules highest court

           

Behsaikong: Husband passed away in January 2010; divorce proceedings conducted in August-September 2010 without knowledge of surviving wife; surviving wife informed in August 2013 that divorce was backdated to January 2009; now Court of Appeal affirms the lower court's decision! 

 

Sa Tombs: This must be the first case of its kind in the whole world where there is a posthumous divorce being pronounced by the highest Islamic court.

 

What happens if both parties are dead? This should be extended to the civil courts so that after my father dies leaving everything to my mother, I can challenge it by saying that they were divorced.

 

Multi Racial: Why there is no intervention from the conference of rulers? The integrity of rulers has to be protected and the only body which can do that is the conference of rulers. 

 

Sultanah Tuanku Zanariah Tunku Ahmad was introduced to Malaysians and world as the Sultanah of Johor. When her husband became the Yang Di Pertuan Agong, she too ascended to the Permaisuri throne. That position required upmost respect as it is a Queen throne. 

 

If she has done something criminal, then let it be out. If she has not, why she is subjected to such action?

 

How can the rulers going to explain to the world that a lowly mufti can decide on this matter even after the sultan has died. How can her fate be decided by others?

 

I am sure Malaysians will be confused with this decision and feel sad for the Sultanah. 

 

Vijay47: That everyone is surprised by the final decision in this unique case is most natural and understandable.

 

Divorce is one thing, but I am curious about another slightly related matter, looking at things from the reverse perspective. Can anyone get married after death?

 

Let us say a millionaire kicks the golden bucket and some months later, an enterprising lady, young or old, pops up to say that a little while after he died, the recently departed soul had married her.

 

Leaving aside the mechanics worldly or spiritual required to achieve this matrimonial union, would the marriage be recognised? Just asking.

 

Sirach: This gives force to former PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad's comments reported elsewhere in Malaysiakini regarding the proposed Johor land legislation.

 

If there is a compliant state government and state judiciary, who's to stop the ruler getting what he wants. A posthumous divorce must be a first anywhere in the world. Wake me up, I want out of this nightmare.

Fairnsquare: Only Johoreans know that way back in 2009, there were instructions to remove the photograph of the then Sultanah from public places due to the divorce.

 

However, to maintain due respect for the Royal Household and advise from State Elders, this action was deferred.

 

It would therefore be advisable for those unaware of the issue to refrain from making disrespectful comments.


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