Christian state: Authorities speaking in tongues
'If not for this Christian marketplace seminar, Umno, a party full of mischief and devilish schemes, will find another way of smearing DAP.'
Police quiz 8 pastors over 'Christian conspiracy'
Geronimo: Are the authorities trying to tell us that holding your hands up to a certain height, implies that Christians are praying for a Christian prime minister and a Christian nationhood?
If that is the case, can the authorities please, we beg you, tell us how high we must hold our hands, before we are mistakenly hauled up again for the same reason? Other than the Catholic church, churches of the other denominations do hold their hands up high whenever they chant "Alleluia".
Catholics will only hold up the hand when a baptism is taking place. Other than this one occasion, holding up the hands is normally done by the priest at the altar when in prayers. Heck, why am I explaining this to some idiots who should on their accord take the trouble to learn the faiths of other Malaysians.
There are also times when Christians sit down together to pray as a group, and speak in tongues (spiritual language) that laymen will not understand. If they are caught doing so, the authorities would charge these people for using encrypted code in their prayers to take over the country. Paranoia seems to be the order of the day.
RR: Religion and prayers are private matters. The Islamists would pray for the entire world to embrace Islam. Likewise there is nothing wrong if Christians too pray to God to make the whole world Christian for the sake of unity and peace.
These are just prayers - a medium between the people and God of different faiths. By these prayers, it is not going to change the constitution of the country, which stipulates that Islam is the religion of the state and where other religions can be practised as well.
Unless the people, through the Parliament, make the change; nothing can be changed. Let not the police and the politicians waste precious time on this idiocracy.
Vijay47: The police are really in the pits. Now they are examining the Christian mode of worship to see if it includes anything sinister and subversive.
What do you care how I worship? What do you care whether I kneel or genuflect, clasp my palms or raise my hands, or swing from the church tower, which in any case your mob prohibits?
I have always felt that PM Najib Razak and Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein have no decency and this latest episode confirms it - invite the Christian leaders to tea and the very next day unleash the police on them. Why is Utusan Malaysia not being questioned at all?
Patriot: Christians leaders should not be misled by political parties. Politicians have no place in any religious meeting otherwise suspicions will arise in the light of prevailing religious anxieties and apprehensions.
When you mix religion with politics, it becomes very apparent there is some kind of hidden agenda to cause confusion and misunderstanding. Some Christian leaders seem to be unduly riled up to the point they are even against having a dialogue with Prime Minister Najib Razak over the Christian state issue.
I wonder what these leaders are teaching in their churches - perhaps preaching what they do not practise themselves. I am sure a number of Christians are not happy at the way their leaders are behaving but are afraid to speak up.
Bendahara: Hishammuddin should be strongly censured for creating more speculations over something which is traditionally a Christian way of worship. Maybe, he should go to the nearest church and observe how Christians worship with their hands raised to the Kingdom of Heaven, where they will say Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Francis T Rozario: I think we have had enough - Najib's word is worth nothing. It is time the Church made a police report against Utusan and all those who have published these defamatory remarks.
The report must state that the Utusan report is malicious, mischievous, seditious, a threat to national security, and directed at making ordinary Muslims hate Christians and vice versa. Once established, the police will have to arrest Utusan's managing editor and the newspaper has to be banned indefinitely.
Mengxiang: Hishammuddin is so naive and gullible that he can believe anything. The police, who have nothing else better to do, jumped into the fray and asked stupid questions. A non-issue has become an issue, which supposedly can threaten national security.
Please leave us Christians alone to worship our Lord. It's bad enough we cannot use and have the word ‘Allah' and have our Holy Bible defaced. True and good Muslims do not do such things.
Oo Kok Siew: For those who don't know, Unashamedly Ethical is a worldwide organisation to get people to commit themselves to good values, ethics and clean living. The conference in Penang was about teaching us to say no to offering or giving bribes and to pray for the well-being of our country and the government.
This organisation promotes peace and goodwill. For the ignorant, here's their website .
Cannon: If not for this Christian marketplace seminar, Umno, a party full of mischief and devilish schemes, will find another way of smearing DAP.
It lays hold of a fabrication to link the church and DAP and to beat its drums and scare the wits out of the rural Malays into believing the DAP is colluding with Christians to overturn their religion and special position.
The 'white knight' of Umno rides to their rescue to stand down the Christians and put DAP to flight. Umno is that sick and hard up for votes.
Orang_Gila_Malaya: I'm Muslim but not a very good one... To me, regardless of faith a person adhered to, so long as he's sincere, competent and transparent, he/she can be PM of this country. Look at the ministers we now have - most of them are Muslims but corruption is everywhere.
Chipmunk: When a Christian prays, he raises his hands to praise and worship the Almighty God. In the same way, when a Muslim prays, he stands and raise his hands and say, "Allahu Akbar" (God is great). So does that mean that the Muslim is also taking a pledge?
Malaysian cops should go to different religious institutions to learn the practises of other religions.
Bradley: How to get working class Malay-Muslims and Chinese illiterates to support the PM? Easy. Get Utusan to report that Christians want to take over the country (that's like saying the Muslims in the US are trying to take over the country and install a Muslim president).
Then the PM calls in the Christian leaders in Malaysia to tell them that don't worry, he will "settle" it because he believes the Christians are innocent. The Christians thank him for his wisdom, benevolence and understanding. And in the eyes of the Muslims, the PM is also a hero.
How long do Malaysians have to endure this asinine treatment of the people as if we are stupid.
2CTS Worth: How is it that the police are so bias as to take the bloggers' statement as the truth to the point that the Christians were called up for questioning? Shouldn't the validity of the bloggers be verified first? Even up till now, the Christians are being harassed while the bloggers are forgotten.
Lim Chong Leong: The harassment against the Christians continues. First you can't pray in the national language, then you have your bibles impounded and stamped.
Now they accuse you of trying to install a Christian state. They will continue to try break your patience so as to justify the use of ‘reasonable force' to clamp down on all of us and declare martial law. This is the only way they can stay in power.
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